Thursday, December 27, 2018

#AAOG – Jump for joy


#AAOG – Jump for joy

Just like the last RNS detailed below, it seems to make sense to expand upon the recent Mengo target reached RNS.


Just like the last RNS, this one has been woefully misunderstood by the market, in my opinion the real significance of this RNS won’t be understood until the wirelogging news has been undertaken.
I’ve always had the opinion that Mengo will be commercial successful for AAOG, with 4-6 wells it will provide for and value a £100m mcap company, with the ability to take advantage of other opportunities.

The R zones as described above were mixed, R2 Sandstone looks very promising for replicating the 101 drill.

A few weeks ago prior to the R zone hit, I emailed David to try and find out some information about the Chela sandstone layer, he didn’t bite. However for me the sandstone is vitally important, being so close to the natural African plate boundary it borders the estuary and shallow sea deposits but also allows access to the onshore geological river deposits, as it flowed into the shallow seas.
The location of 103, was perfectly positioned to take advantage of this and key was the sandstone layers.

The announcement contained the very interesting and detail lacking statement.

Additionally, three new potential pay zones have been encountered between the reservoir R2 and the Mengo. These zones, formed by sandstones, showed a positive log response and hydrocarbon shows.”
“These results indicate a well-developed on-shore/offshore hydrocarbon system underlying Tilapia

Taking the above comments we seem to have confirmation that AAOG are saying the same.  A bit of geological digging and we have a past geological era, with shallower seas and the vast Congo river flowing through, AAOG have just confirmed this with the discovery of the oil laden river deposits, in the form of sandstone. Onshore these river deposits are very difficult to find, almost like finding a small gem in the mud, they produce very light, highly moveable hydrocarbons, sometimes up to 7000bopd. I doubt that these sandstones have the net pay to achieve this, however it’s interesting that AAOG didn’t mention the size of the pay zones, nor how tightly packed they were.

Moving onto Mengo, first a few figures taken from today’s Finncap research note.

103 intersected 104m of gross Mengo with 50m of oil and gas shows in sandstone.
101 (the original hole we hoped to emulate) intersected 38m of gross Mengo and 10-15m of oil and gas shows in sandstone.

The above wasn’t obvious from the original RNS, but shows just how impressive this drill is. Remember an emulation of 101 was deemed sufficient to give us 500bopd. The much, much larger Mengo, should have better pressure and should be a reservoir 2-3 times the size expected.
The above isn’t the best bit though. Geologically speaking the massive size of Mengo pay and the sandstone deposits all point towards a fully working system, with a fault trap. Djeno, just like Mengo after the R zones has derisked some, it’s still maybe 40-50%, but considerably above 20%.

The well has already done enough to prove to me it will likely produce at 500-1000, and folks should remember this is a production hole, with tanks ready and waiting. This justifies a MCAP well above the current level.

As a holder with good average, I therefore have either a 100-200% gain based on what we know already or a 300+ gain if Djeno comes in. (I am a very happy camper).

I know the current SP doesn’t reflect this. We have the dead season between Christmas and NY, we had Sandabel, whose shares were quickly dumped and ended up with lots of short term traders, we have a low liquidity market and finally we have an RNS that hasn’t yet been really understood.

The volume today of over 10% of the entire company will likely have flushed out most of the traders. After New Year, with wirelogging, new estimates, pay zones etc coming in, the MCAP will readily respond and 15-20p on Djeno approach seems reasonable. Djeno will likely be hit around the 20th of 
Jan by my calculations.

A jump following on from the sigh of relief is a welcome end to 2018.

Monday, December 17, 2018

#AAOG – Sigh of relief.



After the euphoria of the 7am RNS and the pre-market open, we have had time to let the news settle and to have a more serious think of how things stack up.

It’s not an overstatement to suggest that this has probably been “The Drill” of 2018 for AIM. It’s had everything from “Death Spirals”, to Drill problems, Fake accounts on Twitter, extensive shorting and a host of rumours concerning failure.

Despite all this the drill has continued and as todays RNS states, “our operational team who, under pressure to deliver results quickly, have worked tirelessly to repair and overhaul the SMP rig that has disappointed to date. In many cases they have stepped in to solve problems that should have been addressed by SMP's personnel”. 

The drill rig, very much like the drill, seems to have developed a life of its own. Its temperamental, SMP staff are inadequate to the needs and AAOG staff have needed to step up. 
Longer term this will be beneficial and the skills learnt will certainly make future drills far more efficient and cheaper, however short term delays have been a breeding den for the detrimental rumours.


For me, the above is vital to understand how important todays RNS is. The simple fact that the drill is working, it is progressing cannot be underestimated. It will put to bed, at least for a while, many of the rumours.The second importance for today’s RNS is a confirmation of the existing geological model. The salt cap is firmly in place and the oil doesn’t seem to have migrated out of the location. This will be 100% confirmed in the wirelogging, but removes a component of the Mengo COS calculation, raising this to around 80%. Connected with this are the current geological makeups of R1,2 and 3. These were included in the RNS and have largely been overlooked.“The R1 was intersected at 1273.3mMD and formed of claystone and siltstone. The R2 was intersected at 1283mMD and was formed of sandstone and the R3 was intersected at 1303mMD and was formed of claystone, dolomite and siltstone


Claystone and siltstone are not fantastic oil reservoirs, they generally have low permeability and low porosity. Make no mistake there will be oil, but it won’t flow readily. R2 however is a different beast it looks to be a good layer of sandstone (much better permeability and porosity and likely to readily flow to surface naturally).
Finally we have money, with what we know about R2 we can estimate, even with all other targets failing, that this well will deliver  $2-3m a year, giving a 5-8m MCAP. This gives us a very nice minimum figure for the company, enabling us to really assess risk compared to reward. Like many, I’ve been in oil companies that have lost 60-80% on a drill failure. To have this level of lost removed is a great relief indeed.

So to recap, this RNS is a fantastic, enormous sigh of relief. Mengo is very likely now and would generate $5-10m a year, giving an MCAP of 30-40m. Christmas will be far happier.
Future RNS’s to include the Mengo target probably Monday just before Christmas and wirelogging results just before NY now.

For Djeno and Vanji. I am very optimistic, all to come in January and I have no doubt that money will be raised upon successful Djeno, but an MCAP of 200m+ will be easy to fund into.
Enjoy the relaxing Christmas, keep an eye open for AAOG Mengo news and dream about the New year.


Friday, October 5, 2018

Savannah Resources – No Man’s Land



Just a short one, #SAV is currently sat at 6.7p, well down from the 14-15p high of only a few months ago. I know to some this might seem very strange and others are probably a little worried.

For clarity, I hold SAV shares. I did sell a small amount and I will be buying more than I sold at some point this year.

The fundraising at 9p wasn’t that far ago and a relatively quick fall to 6.7p will, I am sure, get a few thinking, where might this go?


In the above blog, back in April, I picked up on the 5.25p, explained why the share was low due to the mining cycle and why it would increase strongly when the Portugal Lithium project turned from a negative force to a positive one on the anticipation of news.

Like a tide at the beach though, without backup news to reinforce the “wave”, it quickly dropped back. No doubt Oman was planned to provide a second wave, but this didn’t materialise.

The problem we have now is 3 projects, all at negative points in the cycle.

The first project, Mozambique, is still 6-9 months away from PFS release.

The second project, Oman, has considerable uncertainty attached. Until this uncertainty is addressed it will be stuck in a negative point.

The final project, Portugal, is well advanced in its feasibility study, but has another 6-9 months before it’s completed (I know the company says Q1 sometimes, but the market isn’t expecting it until May-June imo).

Of course unplanned news will materialise, but the market can’t price in unplanned news!
I fully expected the price to drift between 9p and 7.5p, the funding price and the price of a big chunk of David’s share options. News releases such as JORC updates, drill results and periods of little news will all affect where it goes in this range.

But the share is currently 6.7p? Yes, we have a very difficult environment for commodity, we have seen a massive and this can’t be underestimated, massive pull out from China, where state intervention is calling on de-leveraging on exposure and the US, where most companies are bringing cash back and creating a buffer for the expected cooldown conditions. Liquidity in general is down on AIM. Given all this though 6.7p is an over-reaction even allowing for the negative effects.

Could the SP go lower? Possibly, the market has obviously over-reacted, in part to the persistent large sells. If this continues then the share dropping back to 6.2p is a possibility. 6.2p is a very very strong support. If we look at the cycles then back end of October into November should be the bottom of the negative cycles.

If your planning to top up then anything below 7.5p (David’s Options price), has to be a fantastic price.

Looking further ahead, as we move into H1 2019, we enter, to take a hurricane forming term, super fuel territory. All 3 projects should enter the most positive stage, they have ever hit.

The PFS for Mozambique with Rio, not only gives 35% to SAV, not only does it give some detailed figures, but most importantly, it will demonstrate Rio’s intention to develop the project. For Rio Tinto to take this beyond PFS will be a strong go decision.

For Oman, we should know H1 2019, whether this will be a go or a no. I can’t believe the company will keep investors waiting beyond that. A go will mean near term production and profits.

For Portugal, a Feasibility Study is far more important than a scoping study. It will facilitate the go/ no go decision, allow strong profit predictions and can be used for finance purposes. It will also increase the NPV discount figure for the project.

With all 3 projects 30p+ is very realistic come June 2019, but that’s awhile away yet and certainly another blog. However just like last time, to maximise profit you need to enter early at the bottom of the cycle before folks start buying into the share.

A final note Savannah Resources, hasn’t done much wrong yet, it has 3 great/world class projects that it is developing in a timely manner. The market will assign different values to the projects at different times, as an investor your job is pick up the shares as cheaply as possible.

Sunday, June 17, 2018

Savannah Resources v Bacanora Lithium




I hope that folks have enjoyed the rise on Savannah in the past month. As my last blog clearly mentioned when in the 5s and 6s, Savannah was a screaming and safe buy, the rise up to the highs of 16-17p was both dramatic and fully expected. Understanding the mining cycle, having patience and investing are key on AIM. Jumping around from share to share, “trading” is a game with winners and losers, particularly over time.

For the record Savannah Resources has really just started its journey. Achieving a 100m Market Cap, has been a form of “coming of age” for the company, it should allow the company to fulfil its dreams, deliver on its projects and become a serious midcap miner. All 3 of its projects have sufficient potential to deliver 500m-1bn of MCAP each, once into phase 2 or 3 of their product. Due to this and the excellent management of the company it will remain a very strong buy and sit pride of place as the bedrock of my investments. There remains strong share growth at the 3, 6, 12 month and beyond targets.

Whilst researching Savannah this year though I have continually come across an old favourite of mine, Bacanora Lithium. I was a fan of this company when it was just on the Canadian Exchange, I followed its admittance into AIM (and invested). Under Colin’s stewardship it was an example of how to identify good projects and explore them. I argued on this blog how toxic having David join the board would be, Colin and Cordy did not want any of the article changing and the ensuing lack of share price growth is a helpful indicator of how toxic this has been. Colin’s death was a blow to the company and a very sad piece of news, his ability to pick a path through difficult waters has been missed.

The company in the last 12 months has made a number of unforced errors, the arguing of the royalty payments to Cordy and family, left me angry as this was Colin’s inheritance for creating the company. He was the explorer who found the world class lithium project that will define Bacanora and to try and rob him and his family after his death was a low even for an AIM company. The decision to finance through Nextview capital was stupid on so many levels, thankfully the appointment of an experienced CFO and bolstering of the BOD post this debacle should help to ensure it doesn’t happen again. That a company would want a shady private Chinese company as a partner shows a total lack of directorial oversight.

Despite this, not everything has been doom and gloom at Bacanora. The company has quietly been progressing its Mexican Lithium project, concluding a feasibility study, finalising construction plans, getting the support of the local authorities and refining the complicated process of extracting the lithium from the clay. Aim however doesn’t like quiet and is slow to forgive bad decisions, so the share price is actually lower than the original admittance to AIM all that time ago. Despite the lithium price increasing from 5500 to 17000 over that time.
  
Comparison.

Both companies have considerable expansion on their lithium prospects.

Savannah Resources*
Bacanara Lithium**
NPV
$356m
$1253m ($1380m)
IRR
63%
26.1% (31%)
EBITDA
$72m
$229m ($254m)
LOM(length of mine)
$1555m
$3206m ($3450)
Profit Margin
60%
63% (70%)
Capex
$109m
$420m
Production
2020 Q1
2020 Q1

*Savannah Resources figures are based on a scoping study with a higher degree of uncertainty.
**Figures are updated from the Dec 2017 Feasibility Study to take into account the lithium price increase and the lithium forecast figures used by Savannah for comparison purposes.

Production is planned to commence relatively quickly, Bacanora is considerably more advanced than Savannah, however Savannah’s project is far more nimble, smaller and simpler. Bacanora has published its final feasibility study and despite already having a start ceremony will be finalising its design in July 2018 prior to ground breaking. I fully expect both to slip a bit to H1 2020.
Both companies have a fantastic profit margin, both are exceptionally low cost compared to similar competitors. Savannah has a much lower cost than for example European Lithium’s Spodumeme, whereas Bacanora is lower than many of the proposed new Argentina brines. Both projects would be considered low cost(lowest 10% of lithium projects globally) and profitable even by Morgan Stanley’s hatchet job earlier this year, as well as comparable to the great Chilean lithium deposits of SQM.

The LOM (length of mine) and EBITDA are both very respectable. On the plus side they should be considered starting figures, as Savannah will undoubtedly increase their resource by at least 100% prior to production and Bacanora have already planned phase 2 to double production. The resources for Savannah and Bacanora, should have a true LOM of at least 30 and 50 years respectively, giving estimated figures of $3.3bn and $30bn. These figures should start to be recognised by the market as we get close to production start.

One of the most useful ways of looking at a project’s profitability and particularly its attractiveness for obtain funding, is a companies IRR (Internal rate of return).  This is how quickly the projects capex will pay for itself. For example if the LOM is 10 years, it would make very little economic sense to have an IRR of 10%, as it would take 10 years to pay back the cost of the capex. It’s easy to see then that the IRR is also going to be impacted by the capex.
Generally an IRR of 30-40% is considered good. This is a rule of thumb only though. A certain small cap company a few years ago had an IRR of 40%, however the LOM was only 5 years and the EBITDA was only for 35m. The mine in question had a very low capex and was designed to maximise a small vein system of gold. Over the 5 years any profits for the mine were quickly eaten up by BOD salaries and further pointless exploration. Unsurprisingly the MCAP of the company never went over 30m.

Given the above example, a better rule of thumb would be less than 20% and the mine, except under extraordinary circumstances, would not be developed. 20-30% is only really acceptable if the capex is above 300m and the mine has a long life span. For a short life span mine less than 10 years ideally you would want an IRR of 40-50%.

If we look at a few IRR of other Lithium companies, European Lithium has an NPV of 263m and IRR of 21%, needless to say they are looking to improve this. Far resources has an IRR of 30% and Frontier Resources 38%, both of which have been deemed good enough to continue.
Savannah Resources will undoubtedly have a Length of Mine of over 15 years by the time the go decision is made. With an IRR of 63% and low capex it fits into the higher bracket of potential lithium producers. Indeed it puts it in a far more profitable position than the vast majority of small to medium lithium producers.

Bacanora Minerals with an IRR of 26.1% on the face of it doesn’t seem great. However it is worth remembering that even with a 20% discount to current lithium values its recalculated IRR is already just over 30%. For a higher capex mine this is respectable. The IRR for Bacanora is more complicated than this though. Phase 2 of the project is due to double output, some of the original capex and so IRR is forfeited for a cheaper phase 2 entry. When you factor in the incredible length of mine confirmed at 50-100 years by the company as recently as this weekend, a payback of only 3 years moves from respectable to highly respectable.

Of course the elephant in the room for both of these projects is how, with comparable MCaps of around £100m, can the two companies fund the capex’s already discussed?

The answer partly lies in the figures above. The healthier the figures the more likely the funding will be found. The better the figures stack up against other industry similar potential lithium assets the easier it will be attracting the funding.

Funding

Once we’ve established that a project has sound and healthy financials and will be attractive, we can assess funding and its implications. A mix of funding options are usually used, they include selling shares in the company, bonds, some kind of tiered structured loan facility backed by the asset used as collateral, funding secured against future offtake agreements or straight forward payment for future lithium sales.

Just like a mortgage to buy a house, financiers will often want the company to have some skin in the game. This is commonly around 25%, the table below shows how this should be accounted for as a percentage of the company.

Using Exchange rate of 0.75 pounds to 1 dollar.

Mcap £
Capex £
Share of Capex £
Share Fundraising £

Share Fundraising % of company
Savannah Res
90m
81.75m
61m (75%)
15m
17%
Bacanora Lth
111m
315m
220m (70%)
55m
50%

Fundraising of this kind commonly concern 1-4 companies, funds or financials. The shares are unlikely to enter the market until the company goes into production.

Now that we have an educated guess of how much dilution might occur, we can address the rest of the fundraising for the two companies. I would expect funding against future offtakes to account for as much as 50% of the Capex. Particularly for Bacanora who already have an offtake agreement with an entity who is a major owner of the company. For Bacanora I would suggest the most likely option for the final 25% is probably a bond offering. Funding for Bacanora should be announced in the next 6-8 weeks.

For Savannah, the funding will likely be entirely offtake related (obviously with the equity component). Due to the low risk, pay back, this will be achievable.

Conclusion.

So where does that leave us? Which company should you invest in? Which company is better?
As always the purpose of this blog isn’t to tell you who to invest in. I just want people to think and research for themselves. I want investors to invest.

AIM has always been a gambling den, traders who like to pretend, frankly fools who invest on momentum and spikes and the next big thing. It’s always been assumed that long-term investment on AIM is for mugs. This philosophy is completely the wrong way round. I know that 90%, if not 95% of AIM companies never make money. This is where researching and choosing companies that are likely to go into production and make money, seems to me to be an intelligent way of investing. The mining cycle shows that companies often have a weak share price after a lengthy news wait for licenses and feasibility studies. Larger low-risk appetite corporate investors will often invest when the company is very likely to begin construction on a low risk project.

As a smaller invest, it seems to make sense for me to research projects, find projects that will likely enter production and make money. Then enter these companies when the share is unloved, just prior to the corporate investors.

Savannah resources fit this nicely when I used a new fund to buy shares at 5-6.5p. As expected the share price is nicely responding and production (at least to me), seems very likely. I have little doubt that the company will be considerably higher, in 18 months time, than its current share price, taking into account the share dilution. Being strongly up, I can relax, hold the share and probably make a return over the 2 years of at least 300-400%. If I wasn’t invested, I would still buy the shares, over the coming month or two. With a view of seeing considerable share growth as the corporate funds move in and important announcement de-risking the lithium project are made. There will also, in my opinion, be announcements on other Savannah projects that will drive share growth.

Bacanora is slightly different, it’s still in the unloved phase prior to any project unlift. As discussed above this is due to factors such as management mistakes, however I still believe that the project will go into production. Bacanora is currently valued at around 10% of its discounted NPV, even allowing for past management problems (which are hopefully behind us) and share dilution at 50%, there seems to be scope for the 100-150% share increase that Savannah has recently enjoyed. The catalyst for this will likely be the fund raising announcement for the project. Once the project has been fully funding and construction started, approx. August/Sept, the share price should gradually rise to meet 60-70% of the NPV prior to first shipment.

Savannah is a fantastic share in my opinion for a low risk, longer term investment.
Bacanora has a higher risk/reward ratio, mainly concerning director decisions and funding mix, but is a risk I am happy to take considering its closing in on production and its potential.

However both companies should delivery very good returns for investors, for those happy to shy away from the momentum chasing, gambling, stock chasing of more run of the mill shares.

For transparency, I have several holdings in Savannah Resources and have recently been building a holding in Bacanora Lithium.

Monday, April 23, 2018

Savannah Resource, It’s the mining cycle stupid!


For full disclosure. I have a stake in Savannah Resources (SAV), Several actually and have been buying more, with the last buy at 5.35p today.

I haven’t written a blog for a very long time, but the blatant lack of understand about SAV’s market mechanics and in particular the latest RNS has inspired me to correct a few misconceptions. Skip to part 2 if you want, the below can be a little insulting to 90% of investors.

*image not mine.

Firstly we need to cover a few basics, the mining cycle for junior miners. This is very well explained elsewhere, if you don’t know about it, then READ UP! It’s essential knowledge for any wanabe AIM mining investor. Simply put, a mine has an SP cycle. The SP responds upwards during exploration when the asset is first “discovered”. Then as we hit the feasibility and licenses stages it declines, before starting to rise again when construction on the mine starts and into production. It’s a touch more complicated than this but….

Secondly my favourite saying never underestimate the stupidity of investors. They are greedy, want a quick return and have been lured into AIM on the promise of 1000% share rises. They have no patience, expect everything to happen as planned and have next to no knowledge of what life is really like for a junior explorer. They also make the cardinal sin of going “all in” on a share. Going “all in” makes no sense at all. Have an initial stake and then average down if the SP drops or even up if the SP rises. All of the reasons I’ve outlined above apply as to why investors don’t do this, particularly greed and stupid. They want to maximise returns and be in it to win it and any one of a dozen clichés that just imply stupidity. They then complain if the SP falls a bit and they have a paper loss. If only they could see this as the perfect opportunity to top up, their life would be much easier, but alas this isn’t so.

As disputably attributed to Macmillan, “Events, my dear boy, events”. Events can impact a share, you need the flexibility to respond and adjust your investment strategy to events. You also need to differentiate events that affect the long-term share price and events that just move the sp up and down a bit.

Some events can be anticipated. For example the “stupid” investor will always assume that a mining licence can be obtained and given out like confetti. They will assume that a PFS and DFS can be produced at a speed that will rival a bullet train. They assume that just because a country might be classified as developing they will jump at a chance for a western company to come in and take all their assets. 
Mining licenses take on average 2-5 years to obtain, countries tend to be very strict as to environmental impacts, outreach projects, employment opportunities for locals, cherry picking of assets etc. A PFS isn’t just a fag packet appraisal of a potential mine. It’s a legal document. It needs to detail a thousand different aspects. The writes of a PFS/DFS will need to contact 100 different companies and govt offices. Many interconnections and dependencies will exist. If a company claims a PFS/DFS can be produced in 6 months, most of the time I would sell the company immediately, FRAUD would spring to mind. The average length for these can be anywhere from 12 months to 2 even 3 years. 
Folks should remember that sometimes these are legal documents used to raise money for 100m+ capex projects, they take a bit longer to produce than your plans for an extension on your house!

With the knowledge now known and information obtained this can be used to direct your strategy.


Part 2 Savannah Resources.

David Archer has a simple strategy, 3 projects all at different stages in the cycle. Combined it should even out the junior mining cycle as described above leading to steadily rising SP, the 3 year SP chart shows this perfectly with a 200% increase. NO, I hear you shout, the SP has been pretty flat recently.
I agree to some extent, from July 2017 to the end of the year the SP rose 25%, largely off the back of the new lithium project in Portugal, as per the junior mining cycle. This has been offset to a degree though by Oman and Mozambique being in the downward cycle as they await licenses and PFS. From Christmas the dominance of these down cycle projects has overcome the excitement around Portugal.  Particularly as investor patience has been tested by Oman licensing delays and unknown timeframes around the Rio Tinto Moz tie up. Both of these Events have affected the SP without affecting the long-term SP potential. Combined with this we have a now waiting for scoping study for Portugal (more patience required). Leading to a micro downward cycle on Portugal as well. The consequence is a 20% sp fall.

We now come to today’s RNS outlining the developments so far on the Rio Tinto PFS. This was incredibly misunderstood. David has been clear that there are 2 stages to the PFS. A few folks misunderstood that the PFS started in Aug 2017 would be finished soon. [I laugh out loud]. 
However it was clear that it was only stage 1 that would be finished after 6 months or so. Today’s RNS confirms this is nearly finished, but that more/extra work is needed. Stage 2 of the PFS will be completed in 2019. So we are looking at around 2 years for a +100m PFS with and to satisfy the world’s largest mining company. The lack of patience of the “investor” shows its head here and the price declines on what is expected news.

So where next. The turn on the mining cycle always occurs when the PFS is produced or the license granted.  Mozambique will require a lot of patience yet, it probably won’t turn to an upward mining cycle until summer 2019 and so hence won’t add to the sp until that time. However todays RNS should limit its downward affect. Oman should still get license approval allowing mine construction and production to start and so becoming a positive effect on the sp rather than a negative. The scoping study should unleash an upward cycle positive on the sp for Portugal as well.  Possibly strongly upward.

Events have so far just created a deepened negative cycle effect for SAV. Which should reverse in the very near future, probably June, lasting until the end of the year. Due to this the next 4-5 weeks will be all about buying as many shares as possible at each opportunity. Today’s RNS was a perfect example of this. 

Remember the smart investor takes advantage of the stupid investor. Buy value on the cheap, hold value for the long term.

My final word is that events can knock an sp, but that knock can be sharply upwards as well as down, look out for value positive disposals, buys and strategic partners. These don’t travel up the curve but displace the curve upwards.